Militant Vegans vs Militant Pro-Lifers
Anyone else notice how similar Anti-Choice and militant Vegan tumblr posters are? Let’s look at some of the similarities.
“Militant vegans and Anti-Choicers both base their campaigning and arguments around emotional blackmail and anecdotes.”
Actually, unlike anti-choicers, the vegan community tends to use statistics to back up the facts. Such as…
Percentage of corn in the US eaten by people: 20
Percentage of corn grown in the US eaten by livestock: 80
Percentage of oats grown in the US eaten by livestock: 95
Percentage of protein wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 90
How frequently a child dies as a result of malnutrition: every 2 point 3 seconds
Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 40,000
Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 250
Percentage of US farmland devoted to beef production: 56
Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of edible flesh from feedlot beef: 16
Or that over 12 billion animals were killed in the us alone in 2011.
“While a Vegan will post pictures of cute farmyard animals and tell horror stories about animals being treated badly by people, an Anti-Choicer will post pictures of cute babies and tell horror stories about forced abortions and the like.”
But the so called “horror stories” of animal cruelty are real, documented by video and photo every day, and continue as we speak. Unlike an anti-choicer, who uses a BABY (and we all know that babies aren’t even involved in abortion, fetuses and embryos are), vegans are not afraid to show you the real victims of this cruelty. An anti-choicer can’t show you the “real victim”, because all they would have is a small primordial-esque blob, or even a small dot in a petri dish.
Comparing an embryo or fetus to a living, sentient animal is an insult to the animal. Embryos cannot think or feel - I should think that someone who is adamantly against anti-choicers would know that already.
“A Vegan will insist you can’t love animals if you eat any of them, and an Anti-Choicer will say you aren’t fit to be a parent if you support the right to an abortion.”
But an “animal lover” claims to love ANIMALS while paying for their death. A good parent doesn’t claim to love embryos. Meanwhile, someone who supports abortion (or the right to it) merely supports the right to choice - do do with one’s own body as need be. You don’t parent a fetus. But you do eat animals.
“To be blunt, the general claims of both groups are completely untrue. A Vegan will have you believe that humans are purely herbivores, and that animal products are pure carcinogens mixed with gristle and fat”
No, but we will not be sugar-coating it when we show you the obvious links between animal consumption and cancer, heart disease and stroke, among a myriad of other health issues that can be remedied through healthy eating.
Despite there being many studies to show the harms of animal consumption and absolutely NO studies which can show that a fetus can feel pain before roughly 20 weeks, it seems unprecidented that you should make the comparison.
“Vegans, too, are generally well-off, middle class young women who watched a documentary about abattoirs, which taught them everything they knew and instantly elevated them to being the apex of morality.”
I won’t over-refer to my own lack of wealth to prove you wrong in this regard, so let’s look at some other examples. Although there are many middle class vegans, the majority of vegans I have met along the way have been those who participate in dumpster diving, cut corners in their everyday life just to afford their rent, and always are looking for the cheapest way to be healthy. Many middle class, 20-something white women who are in the image of “veganism” are actually just practicing a plant-based diet for their health. But no, dumpster diving is just something rich people do in their spare time, right?
(To note, the 21$ a week food stamp budget is more than I spend on food in half a month)
And no, we don’t think we’re the apex of morality - we just think that killing for pleasure is fucked up. If someone were to kill a woman about to get an abortion to feel the pleasure of stopping “baby murder”, you’d probably think they were fucked up too.
“Both of them seem to think that calling Carnist scum/Pro-choice (A carnist or omni is a slur which means a person with a normal diet, for the uninformed)”
Carnist isn’t actually a slur, it’s an identified term coined by social psychologist Melanie Joy in her book Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows. Despite it not being a slur, I know that many meat-eaters take it as such and it causes them to create a barrier between what I’m saying and what they want to hear because their feelings may be hurt. I stick to omnivore simply because carnist isn’t a widely noted term yet and it doesn’t help my argument. I don’t see how someone can find “omni”, the short word for omnivore, a slur, if the meat eater believes that they are an omnivore.
Nor have I ever used the word scum (it needs to disappear from tumblr if you ask me) nor have I seen any vegan use the word scum.
Also, “omni is a slur which means a person with a normal diet”. That’s as uncalled for as saying “cis is a slur which means a normal woman or man”.
“people murderers, assholes, idiots or any other insult is going to suddenly make them wake up and think ‘Wow, they’re right! Supporting womens rights/Eating most food DOES make me a massive asshole! I’d better change my thinking patterns to match theirs exactly right away!’ That, and the way they seem to crave validation and buttpats from others within their group. I guess if I was some kook who threw buckets of blood on old ladies fur coats or torched doctors surgeries, I’d want to be backed up by my fellow kooks as well.”
Well, killing animals for pleasure does make someone a murderer, and killing for pleasure does seem like something an asshole would do, but that doesn’t need to be brought up in a clean discussion and rarely is. However, it is frustrating when someone continually compares a sentient being to a non-sentient fetus, and I have a few choice words for that.
Referencing the blood bucketed weirdos of the 90s doesn’t make you culturally relevant, nor does it prove anything. Perhaps we should stick to referencing acts within this decade, or even the last decade for that matter.
“Last and best, the two groups are united by their twin persecution complexes.”
Last and most important, never unite me with an anti-choicer against my consent.
“Ironically enough, Militant Vegans generally think a human beings life is worth that of a flea”
Despite the fact that a large portion of the reason to be vegan is for humanitarian purpose? Right. Because you can’t care for non-human animals and humans at the same time, that’s just like, totally way too hard, right?
All this. She knows what she’s talking about; y’all chumps better listen up.
Tommy is smarter than all of you.
Saying free-range is somehow more acceptable is like giving you a back massage and then jamming a knife into your throat, justifying it by saying “Well, you were pretty happy up until that part where I fucking stabbed you in the throat.”
Spirulina is tip top
Spirulina contains 334% more protein than beef, 475% more calcium than whole milk, 5756% more iron than spinach, and is a rich source of B-complex vitamins, containing 118% more B12 than raw beef liver.
Attention anemics, people with those pesky “protein deficiencies”, those convinced their bones will dissolve without dairy and those worried about getting 2.5 micrograms of B12.
Your argument is invalid because spirulina.
Wait! Spirulina is being cut short.
It is rich in gamma-linolenic acid (GLA), and also provides alpha-linolenic acid (ALA), linoleic acid (LA), stearidonic acid (SDA), eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA), docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) and arachidonic acid (AA).
However, not to make it seem all good, the source of b12 found in spirulina is still being debated since one study accuses it of being a “pseudovitamin”, although this has little visible evidence and may be just coming out of spite knowing that b12 can be derived from natural sources (it comes from the faculty of agriculture and few studies have research to back up their claim), it also states that significant sources of b12 is nori. Nori is a red algae genus and thus is not grouped under the debate of blue-green algae “pseudovitamins”.
Most people assume fish is one of the “healthiest” meats (ignoring the rise of mercury poisoning) and don’t think much further than that - because they don’t want to acknowledge WHERE the fish are getting their vitamins. Sea vegetables are some of the most nutrient heavy foods out there. Skip the fish and just go straight for the vitamins.
Punch - Feminists Don’t Have A Cow
“Like apples to oranges, both fruitful. Two eyes, two ears, two ovaries too. That’s where we draw the line, and it’s the differences that give us an excuse. No words to resist. Can’t write without a thumb. How can she say she doesn’t want this done? And every thirteen months, until she’s no good, given what will only be taken away to the same fate, or a veal crate. All for the precious by product. If you wouldn’t want your mother, sister, friend, as a milk and baby factory, don’t let it happen in your name to a creature with two eyes, two ears, two ovaries.”
SO MUCH SENSE
Anyone who omits entire populations from those deserving the right to autonomy based on something as arbitrary as species needs to experience what the fuck it is they’re dismissing.
I have become so inundated with thoughts trying to conceptually make moralistic vegan concepts come to life within my mind, to find myself more resentful of the class hatred it takes to be hardcore and militant about something so trivial. I understand the need to end the brutality that has become the meat industry, but why is it so common place to protest this system of oppression and continue to treat human labor as normative? Certainly our capitalist society has been unremorseful and completely barbaric to our animal neighbors, but how can one worry so wholeheartedly about the welfare of cows and pigs while there are starving children in our midst? It has easily become the quandary that affects the creation of my own personal discourse the most. I read a post recently that complicity says that one cannot be a feminist and a consumer of dairy products. I literally had to sit back and ask myself how people can be that gullible and buy into such ignorant rhetoric. Certainly the dairy industry has become a racket of overusing of a cows life simply to force reproduction. It is a very sickening practice, and it has connotations within our own society’s rape culture. I guess this simply has to be another matter of morality and the value of certain lives.
I for one have always placed a higher value on the life of people than animals. I understand that some may find it honorable to protect and stand in the corner of animal life, and I believe humans need to do that, but I have a hard time believing that a person could ever stand in the corner of protecting life while telling half of the worlds population that their plight is no reason to not adapt to a lifestyle decision. Feminism is a human matter, not one that is contingent based upon other creatures in the order of life. Moral vegans are more worried and put off by cows being used and produced for milk than they are women being used as sex slaves and cheap labor throughout the world. That is irrational at best. Animal life can’t be protected when the agents of change are being treated as badly or worse. Over half of the world’s population is starving. Cows in the meat industry are still fed. Cows in the milk industry still have it better than human beings alive on this planet. That to me is a more pressing problem than milk. You have children being used as sex slaves and drug mules across the globe, and you want people to feel obligated to drop those truths to protect cows on a dairy farm? That is absurd at the very best.
I choose to drop moral conclusions from the vegan movement. My ire stands against capitalism, the leader in murder across the planet. Capitalism kills human beings AND animals in the name of profit and imperialism from coast to coast. WE are all targets and there is a price on all of our heads. When human beings have to resort to being nothing more than ticks on a balance sheet, how can you expect people to worry about the well being of chickens? When indigenous tribes are being slaughtered across the world to obtain fossil fuels and vital land bases for industrial use is it really ethical or moral to prioritize animal meat consumption? The animals will stop being used and abused for their commodity value when human beings aren’t treated in the same way. I do not intend to continue this lifestyle of abjuration of class ethics; it is not intended to do any real good. Our social structure is built on a system of necessity and convenience. I do believe that if someone can be vegan, it is in their best interest to do so, but isn’t this a fascist means of control over others to demean and convey ill willed sentiment with others due to their personal choices?
There are many medical groups that understand the need for meat consumption, Doctors Without Borders for instance, have put together many programs that deal with child malnourishment and most if not all doctors say children need meat, milk, and eggs. Moral vegans scoff these ACTUAL facts as merely justification for more slaughter and more oppression. I can only imagine what these so-called moralists would say to a starving person in a third world country who has no options outside of the meager amounts of food they have, including insects and other organisms that they desperately consume because they have nothing else. Would you really tell these people they need to observe your dietary choices unless they want to be labeled oppressors? If so, you are my enemy and you are the enemy of egalitarianism. Egalitarian social structures are not built to support and make sure animals are happy, they are the realization that if human beings are free from oppression, then hopefully we can mutually build a priority system to not oppress other species either.
Animals will have a much better opportunity at survival when the agents for change and social growth (humans) aren’t being treated as the same slabs being sold in the market. There is no rhetoric that can be enough to change that fact so save your breath. I have kept my vegan lifestyle quite private because I am tired of the problematic arguments that seem to come from this movement. I don’t want to be associated with it. I refuse to be part of a classist, white supremacist, racist, non-egalitarian movement. I don’t support human hatred. You cannot be cruelty free and be a didactic high-minded vegan, they are not companionable. Sorry folks.
how can one worry so wholeheartedly about the welfare of cows and pigs while there are starving children in our midst?
Because caring for one does not negate care for the other. You can be a vegan and fully support humanitarian interests - in fact, it may be the most effective means of doing so. The animal agriculture industry is not a resource efficient one, nor does it respect the people in which it steals these resources from. Why would we eat meat, eggs, or dairy when there are starving children in our midst? Eating more is not going to help them - consuming more resources only hurts them.
My mom used to say “there are starving kids in Ethiopia who would eat that” if I didn’t finish my dinner. Does anyone get how backward that logic is? “These people would love some food, so you should consume more so its harder for them to have any. THAT’S respectful.”
says that one cannot be a feminist and a consumer of dairy products.
Fuck “true feminist labeling”. If you think it is wrong for any female to be forceably impregnated, only to have her child taken away and slaughtered, then you should go vegan. Chances are, if you have that morality, you are for women’s rights as well.
I for one have always placed a higher value on the life of people than animals.
You don’t have to love non human animals more than humans to be vegan. You just have to realize that their torture is not necessary. I don’t love a chicken more than my sister. But I do not have the right to order their death. We would benefit health-wise from a plant-centric supported health system, so being vegan IS caring about the lives of humans.
Feminism is a human matter, not one that is contingent based upon other creatures in the order of life. Moral vegans are more worried and put off by cows being used and produced for milk than they are women being used as sex slaves and cheap labor throughout the world.
Feminism is a human matter as defined by you. Just as “person” as a legal matter was once defined by white men as only white men. No woman should be used as a sex slave against her will, and no cow deserves to be used as a birthing machine. There is no “more worried” here. Both are concerns that we can address. We don’t have to give up one to support the other.
Cows in the milk industry still have it better than human beings alive on this planet.
I would choose starving over slaughter. If the human race could only survive by being oppressed by a ‘greater’ race, do you think that is a “better” life? Being owned is not better. Being tortured, raped, and slaughtered should not be called “better”.
obligated to drop those truths to protect cows on a dairy farm
Here again, we see that you think people have to “give up” one fight to fight for another. Both are necessary. We are not such simple minded fools that we can only focus on one battle.
Doctors Without Borders for instance, have put together many programs that deal with child malnourishment and most if not all doctors say children need meat, milk, and eggs. Moral vegans scoff these ACTUAL facts as merely justification for more slaughter and more oppression.
To call these actual facts is downright hilarious. Children do not need milk, eggs, or meat, and if they did, all the vegans would be dead at this current moment. Uh oh, guess I’m a zombie! This IS merely justification, but we cannot fully blame them, as they do not know any better. It has been ingrained into these doctors minds (keep note that most doctors go through MINIMAL AMOUNTS of nutritional training) that there is a basic structure of human nutrition that rests on surprisingly the most profitable one.
i’m such a fanboy of thebourgeoisiehobo, it’s not even funny.
Reblog for emphasis.